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Истребитель F-35

Черт! Еще один миф прахом! Да что ж такое?! :giggle:
http://www.militaryparitet.com/perevodnie/data/ic_perevodnie/6869/
- Но это всё было известно ещё несколько лет назад, когда генерал, ответственный за проект F-35, клятвенно утверждал, что по своим маневренным характеристикам F-35A находится между F-16 и F-18. И про то, что у него α критический порядка 50°. Тут всё - очень старые новости, им несколько лет...
Другое дело, что большинство обитателей рунета в это как не верили, так и не верят... :|
 
А между тем, об ероплане из САСШ вон чего пишут:
http://aviationweek.com/defense/f-35-flies-against-f-16-basic-fighter-maneuvers
The F-35 Joint Strike Fighter has been flown in air-to-air combat maneuvers against F-16s for the first time and, based on the results of these and earlier flight-envelope evaluations, test pilots say the aircraft can be cleared for greater agility as a growth option.
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The operational maneuvers were flown by Nelson in AF-2, the primary Flight Sciences loads and flutter evaluation aircraft, and one of nine F-35s used by the Edwards AFB-based 412th Test Wing for developmental testing (DT). The F-35 Integrated Test Force at Edwards has six F-35As, two F-35Bs and a single F-35C dedicated to DT work, as well as a further set of aircraft allotted to the Joint Operational Test Team. Work is underway as part of efforts to clear the final system development and demonstration (SDD) maneuvering envelopes on the way to initial operational capability (IOC). The U.S.Marine Corps F-35B IOC is targeted for later this year, the Air Force’s F-35A in 2016, and the U.S. Navy’s F-35C in 2019.

“When we did the first dogfight in January, they said, ‘you have no limits,’” says Nelson. “It was loads monitoring, so they could tell if we ever broke something. It was a confidence builder for the rest of the fleet because there is no real difference structurally between AF-2 and the rest of the airplanes.” AF-2 was the first F-35 to be flown to 9g+ and -3g, and to roll at design-load factor. The aircraft, which was also the first Joint Strike Fighter to be intentionally flown in significant airframe buffet at all angles of attack, was calibrated for inflight loads measurements prior to ferrying to Edwards in 2010.

The operational maneuver tests were conducted to see “how it would look like against an F-16 in the airspace,” says Col. Rod “Trash” Cregier, F-35 program director. “It was an early look at any control laws that may need to be tweaked to enable it to fly better in future. You can definitely tweak it—that’s the option.”

“Pilots really like maneuverability, and the fact that the aircraft recovers so well from a departure allows us to say [to the designers of the flight control system laws], ‘you don’t have to clamp down so tight,’” says Nelson. Departure resistance was proven during high angle-of-attack (AOA) testing, which began in late 2012 with the aircraft pushing the nose to its production AOA limit of 50 deg. Subsequent AOA testing has pushed the aircraft beyond both the positive and negative maximum command limits, including intentionally putting the aircraft out of control in several configurations ranging from “clean” wings to tests with open weapons-bay doors. Testing eventually pushed the F-35 to a maximum of 110 deg. AOA.

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An “aggressive and unique” approach has been taken to the high AOA, or “high alpha” testing, says Nelson. “Normally, test programs will inch up on max alpha, and on the F-22 it took us 3-4 months to get to max alpha. On this jet, we did it in four days. We put a spin chute on the back, which is normal for this sort of program, and then we put the airplane out of control and took our hands off the controls to see if it came back. We actually tweaked the flight control system with an onboard flight test aid to allow it to go out of control, because it wouldn’t by itself. Then we drove the center of gravity back and made it the worst-case configuration on the outside with weapons bay doors and put the aircraft in a spin.” The aircraft has been put into spins with yaw rates up to 60 deg./sec., equal to a complete turn every 6 sec. “That’s pretty good. But we paddled off the flight-test aid and it recovered instantly,” he says.

Pilots also tested the ability of the F-35 to recover from a deep-stall in which it was pushed beyond the maximum AoA command limit by activating a manual pitch limiter (MPL) override similar to the alpha limiter in the F-16. “It’s not something an operational pilot would do, but the angle of attack went back and, with the center of gravity way back aft, it would not pitch over, but it would pitch up. So it got stuck at 60 or 70 deg. alpha, and it was as happy as could be. There was no pitching moment to worry about, and as soon as I let go of the MPL, it would come out,” Nelson says.

Following consistent recoveries, the test team opted to remove the spin chute for the rest of the test program. “The airplane, with no spin chute, had demonstrated the ability to recover from the worst-case departure, so we felt very confident, and that has been proven over months of high alpha testing,” says Nelson. “It also satisfied those at the Joint Program Office who said spin chute on the back is not production-representative and produces aerodynamic qualities that are not right.” Although there are additional test points ahead where the spin chute is scheduled to be reattached for departure resistance with various weapons loads, the test team is considering running through the points without it.



Following good recoveries from earlier high-alpha testing, F-35 evaluators are considering doing away with the spin chute for upcoming evaluations with asymmetric loads. The chute is pictured here during initial high angle-of-attack work. Credit: U.S. Air Force



With the full flight envelope now opened to an altitude of 50,000 ft., speeds of Mach 1.6/700 KCAS and loads of 9g, test pilots also say improvements to the flight control system have rendered the transonic roll-off (TRO) issue tactically irrelevant. Highlighted as a “program concern” in the Defense Department’s Director of Operational Test and Evaluation (DOT&E) 2014 report, initial flight tests showed that all three F-35 variants experienced some form of wing drop in high-speed turns associated with asymmetrical movements of shock waves. However, TRO “has evolved into a non-factor,” says Nelson, who likens the effect to a momentary “tug” on one shoulder harness. “You have to pull high-g to even find it.” The roll-off phenomena exhibits itself as “less than 10 deg./sec. for a fraction of a second. We have been looking for a task it affects and we can’t find one.”

Но злые языки тут же стали утверждать, что
"TRO “has evolved into a non-factor”..... I don't think so.

The DOT&E reported that every F-35 variant struggled with uncommanded “wing drop” when maneuvering hard at high subsonic and transonic speeds. This is particularly dangerous because uncommanded—which is to say, uncontrolled—wing drop can result in crashes and an inability to outmaneuver attacking planes or missiles in combat. The report published in January noted that all three variants needed “modifications of the control laws to control the effects of transonic flight [wing drop] and buffet maneuvering.”

Unfortunately, the required control law modifications will reduce the maneuverability of the F-35, only exacerbating the plane’s performance problems in this area. The F-35C’s wing drop problem is “worse than other variants” and future testing will incorporate spoilers installed in the wings to address the problem. Lockheed Martin publicly reported designing add-on spoilers in 2009, and DOT&E described plans to consider how to incorporate these new spoilers in the test plan in its 2012 report. However, add-on spoilers, such as those added to the F-18E/F to address a similar problem, almost certainly will decrease all-around stealth as well as increase weight and drag, thereby further decreasing maneuverability, acceleration, and range. Moreover, much of the extensive maneuver testing needed to validate fixes to the wing-drop problem is currently impossible due to the speed and g limits imposed by the continuing engine fan-rubbing problem.

Heavy buffeting during high angle of attack maneuvers (such as during dogfighting, outmaneuvering threat missiles, and flying close support) has been reported as a serious ongoing problem with the F-35 since at least 2009. Such buffeting can cause fatigue cracks that lead to structural failure and can degrade weapons aiming, missile evasion, and dogfighting ability. Testing to investigate the impact of buffet and transonic roll-off (TRO or “wing drop”) on the helmet-mounted display and offensive and defensive maneuvering found that "buffet affected display symbology, and would have the greatest impact in scenarios where a pilot was maneuvering to defeat a missile shot.” Buffeting also degrades the gyroscopes in the inertial platforms which are essential for flight control, navigation, and weapons aiming. DOT&E explained that this was an ongoing issue: “In heavy buffet conditions, which occur between 20 and 26 degrees angle of attack, faults occurred in the inertial measurement units (IMUs) in the aircraft that degraded the flight control system (two of three flight control channels become disabled), requiring a flight abort.”

This limitation to maneuverability is an obstacle that must be overcome and any remedy must be validated by additional testing before 2B release. It is implausible that any aircraft with these inherent problems in basic weapons delivery and dogfight maneuvering would be approved for deployment, and yet the Marines Corps and Air Force are pressing ahead with their dates for “initial operational capability” in 2015 and 2016, respectively. If internal Pentagon and external congressional oversight were operative, these problems would be show-stoppers.
Вопрос: могли ли проблемы с "wing drop" (сваливание?) быть устранены быстро и без предлагаемой злопыхателями переделки планера?
 
Вопрос: могли ли проблемы с "wing drop" (сваливание?) быть устранены быстро и без предлагаемой злопыхателями переделки планера?

Wing drop - это не полное сваливание. Это может быть и не сваливание - просто неодинаковая подъемная сила на крыльях, крен такой своеобразный.

С моих скромных позиций в аэродинамике, я бы предположил, что проблема довольно серьезная, доработки/переделки планера необходимы. Поскольку это крен, то в принципе возможно его парирование элеронами/флаперонами с помощью САУ, т.е. програмно, но, возможно, нужны какие-то дополнительные датчики. При этом надо будет зарезать допускаемую перегрузку, чтобы иметь запас подъемной силы на действие элеронов.
 
- Но это всё было известно ещё несколько лет назад, когда генерал, ответственный за проект F-35, клятвенно утверждал, что по своим маневренным характеристикам F-35A находится между F-16 и F-18. И про то, что у него α критический порядка 50°. Тут всё - очень старые новости, им несколько лет...
Другое дело, что большинство обитателей рунета в это как не верили, так и не верят... :|
я уже устал объяснять, что не может у него быть критическим углом 50. те же 30-33. другой вопрос, что он за счет чайнизов, вихрей и двойного стабилизатора неплох в закритических режимах
 
я уже устал объяснять, что не может у него быть критическим углом 50. те же 30-33. другой вопрос, что он за счет чайнизов, вихрей и двойного стабилизатора неплох в закритических режимах
- Если график Cy=f(α) непрерывен и Cy растёт до этих самых 50° и только потом там наблюдается характерное падение Cy, - значит, αкр. и есть 50°. Причём не важно, за счёт каких ухищрений это происходит.
Посмотреть бы на этот график... :rolleyes:
 
U.S. Air Force eyes future F-35 engine and arms upgrades

(Reuters) - The U.S. Air Force is on track to declare Lockheed Martin Corp's F-35 fighter jet ready for initial combat use by August or September 2016, and officials are already looking at possible future upgrades to its weapons, propulsion and avionics.

Major General Jeffrey Harrigian, the two-star general named in January to oversee all things F-35 for the Air Force, told Reuters in an interview on Tuesday the program was making good progress, but he was keeping close tabs on key items required to meet the target date.

Those issues include software development, modification of existing jets to incorporate design changes, further work on a complex automated logistics system called ALIS and ensuring a sufficient number of technicians are trained to service the jet.

"There's a lot of work to be done ... but from where we sit, we're on the right glide path to IOC (initial operational capability)," Harrigian said.

He said the Air Force planned for the new jet to reach full operational capability around 2021 or 2022, with larger numbers of planes and weaponry ready for full combat use.

The $391 billion program will deliver three different F-35 models for the U.S. military and a number of U.S. allies that have already placed orders: Britain, Australia, Italy, Turkey, Norway, the Netherlands, Japan, South Korea and Israel.

The U.S. Marine Corps will be the first military service to declare its B-model jets, which can take off and land like a helicopter, ready for initial combat use this July.

Harrigian, a pilot with more than 4,100 hours flying time in the F-22 and other planes, said the F-22 fighter saw similar software challenges but ultimately became "an amazing airplane."

He said the Air Force was already looking at follow-on capabilities for the F-35, given rapid technology development by potential adversaries, and ensuring that the infrastructure was in place to allow such upgrades.

"We are already considering and thinking through what are some of the technologies that will be part of the F-35," Harrigian said. "This is not the time to rest on your laurels."

Harrigian gave few details but said potential upgrades could include new avionics systems, radar, laser weapons and a new more fuel-efficient engine.

"I don't think we would take anything off the table at this point," he said. (Reporting by Andrea Shalal; Editing by Ted botha)

Обсуждение лазеров перенесено сюда - О.Г.:
http://waronline.org/fora/index.php?threads/Боевые-лазеры.2011/page-6#post-1319699
 
- Если график Cy=f(α) непрерывен и Cy растёт до этих самых 50° и только потом там наблюдается характерное падение Cy, - значит, αкр. и есть 50°. Причём не важно, за счёт каких ухищрений это происходит.
Посмотреть бы на этот график... :rolleyes:
с чего это у него такой график? просто освоили закритический полет. как бы не новость, у них с F-18 еще
 
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Это вряд ли...

На первом изображении - непонятно какой самолет. В австралийских ВВС такого нет и не было точно. А что бы кто-то посторонний с австралийскими опознавательными знаками летал - это неслыханно. Зато на сайте РААФ есть три варианта этой картинки с разным фоном.
 
На первом изображении - непонятно какой самолет. В австралийских ВВС такого нет и не было точно. А что бы кто-то посторонний с австралийскими опознавательными знаками летал - это неслыханно. Зато на сайте РААФ есть три варианта этой картинки с разным фоном.
Это тот же самолёт. Либо это обе - фото (наличие noise на картинке) говорит за это, либо оба - рисунки.
 
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